Ex-LAPD officer believed dead after standoff; ID found in burned cabin

Investigators work near the Mountain View Resort in Big Bear, Calif., near where where authorities believe ex-Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner barricaded himself inside, engaged in a shootout that killed a deputy and then never emerged as the home went up in flames Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2013. (AP Photo/Los Angeles Times, Robert Gauthier)

Investigators work near the Mountain View Resort in Big Bear, Calif., near where where authorities believe ex-Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner barricaded himself inside, engaged in a shootout that killed a deputy and then never emerged as the home went up in flames Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2013. (AP Photo/Los Angeles Times, Robert Gauthier)

BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. — Police scoured mountain peaks for days, using everything from bloodhounds to high-tech helicopters in their manhunt for a revenge-seeking ex-cop. They had no idea he was hiding among them, holed up in a vacation cabin across the street from their command post.

It was there that Christopher Dorner apparently took refuge last Thursday, four days after beginning a deadly rampage that would claim four lives.

The search ended Tuesday when a man believed to be Dorner bolted from hiding, stole two cars, barricaded himself in a vacant cabin and mounted a last stand in a furious shootout in which he killed one sheriff's deputy and wounded another before the building erupted in flames.

He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.

Authorities believe the remains are those of the former Los Angeles police officer, but they have not been formally identified.

"We have reason to believe that it is him," San Bernardino County sheriff's spokeswoman Cynthia Bachman said.

LAPD Lt. Andrew Neiman said Wednesday the department has returned to normal patrol operations. He said approximately a dozen of the more than 50 protective details remain in place and will stay that way until the remains are positively identified. "This really is not a celebration," he said. Neiman would not answer any questions regarding what occurred in San Bernardino County, saying it was that jurisdiction's investigation.

Neiman said LAPD officers used the Internet to monitor radio chatter during the firefight. "It was horrifying to listen to that firefight and to hear those words. 'Officer down' is the most gut-wrenching experience that you can have as a police officer."

Dorner, 33, had said in a lengthy rant police believe he posted on Facebook that he expected to die in one final, violent confrontation with police, and if it was him in the cabin that's just what happened.

The apparent end came very close to where his trail went cold six days earlier when his burning pickup truck — with guns and camping gear inside — was abandoned with a broken axle on a fire road in the San Bernardino National Forest near the ski resort town of Big Bear Lake.

His footprints led away from the truck and vanished on frozen soil.

With no sign of him and few leads, police offered a $1 million reward to bring him to justice and end a "reign of terror" that had more than 50 families of targeted Los Angeles police officers under round-the-clock protection after he threatened to bring "warfare" to the LAPD, officers and their kin.

Just a few hours after police announced Tuesday that they had fielded more than 1,000 tips with no sign of Dorner, word came that a man matching his description had tied up two people in a Big Bear Lake cabin, stole their car and fled. Authorities didn't immediately give more details on the two people.

Jay Hylton told KABC-TV that they were two of his relatives, a mother and daughter pair of housekeepers, who weren't hurt. The Los Angeles Times (http://lat.ms/XKkGt8 ) reported the women surprised Dorner Tuesday, he tied them up and then fled in a purple Nissan. The Times reported that one maid eventually broke free and called 911.

Game wardens from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife who were part of the search detail spotted the purple Nissan that had been reported stolen going in the opposite direction and gave chase, department spokesman Lt. Patrick Foy said. The driver looked like Dorner.

They lost the purple car after it passed a school bus and turned onto a side road, but two other Fish and Wildlife patrols turned up that road a short time later, and were searching for the car when a white pickup truck sped erratically toward the wardens.

"He took a close look at the driver and realized it was the suspect," Foy said.

Dorner, who allegedly stole the pickup truck at gunpoint after crashing the first car, rolled down a window and opened fire on the wardens, striking a warden's truck more than a dozen times.

One of the wardens shot at the suspect as he rounded a curve in the road. It's unclear if he hit him, but the stolen pickup careened off the road and crashed in a snow bank. Dorner then ran to the cabin where he barricaded himself and got in a shootout with San Bernardino County sheriff's deputies and other officers, two of whom were shot, one fatally.

A SWAT team surrounded the cabin and used an armored vehicle to break out the cabin windows, said a law enforcement official who requested anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. The officers then lobbed tear gas canisters into the cabin and blasted a message over a loudspeaker: "Surrender or come out."

The armored vehicle then tore down each of the cabin's four walls.

A single shot was heard inside before the cabin was engulfed in flames, the law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

Until Tuesday, authorities weren't sure Dorner was still in Big Bear Lake, where his pickup was found within walking distance from the cabin where he hid.

Even door-to-door searches failed to turn up any trace of him in the quiet, bucolic neighborhood where children were playing in the snow Tuesday night.

With many searchers leaving town amid speculation he was long gone, the command center across the street was taken down Monday.

Ron Erickson, whose house is only about quarter mile away, said officers interrogated him to make sure he wasn't being held hostage. Erickson himself had been keeping a nervous watch on his neighborhood, but he never saw the hulking Dorner.

"I looked at all the cabins that backed the national forest and I just didn't think to look at the one across from the command post," he said. "It didn't cross my mind. It just didn't."

Police said Dorner began his run on Feb. 6 after they connected the slayings of a former police captain's daughter and her fiance with his angry manifesto.

Dorner blamed LAPD Capt. Randal Quan for providing poor representation before the police disciplinary board that fired him for filing a false report.

Dorner, who is black, claimed in his online rant that he was the subject of racism by the department and was targeted for doing the right thing.

Chief Charlie Beck, who initially dismissed Dorner's allegations, said he would reopen the investigation into his firing — not to appease the ex-officer, but to restore confidence in the black community, which had a long fractured relationship with police that has improved in recent years.

Dorner vowed to get even with those who had wronged him as part of his plan to reclaim his good name.

"You're going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!" the rant said. "You have awoken a sleeping giant."

Within hours of being named as a suspect in the killings, the 6-foot, 270-pounder described as armed and "extremely dangerous," tried unsuccessfully to steal a boat in San Diego to flee to Mexico. After leaving a trail of evidence, he headed north where he opened fire on two patrol cars in Riverside County, shooting three officers and killing one.

With a description of his car broadcast all over the Southwest and Mexico, he managed to get to the mountains 80 miles east of Los Angeles where his burning truck was found.

Only a short distance from the truck, he spent his final days with a front-row seat to the search mobilized right outside.

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drolds writes:

I can't wait for the movie.

Magic81 writes:

What we are seeing now on live TV is pretty surreal---all this much firepower and manpower for just ONE "good guy with a gun" that turned into a "bad guy with a gun"---imagine what it will take if a dozen or more do something like this as a group. Just burn em up I guess

privateroad writes:

Who ever owns that cabin they are burning down should be upset . Because of their inability to help and diagnose the officers mental problems it spills over into innocent peoples lives. How many more rouge cops are out there on the edge deemed disposable by there departments.

baldygrandpa writes:

I do not believe for a minute that Dorner is/was some sort of mental case. He truly believed that the LA PD had a systemic racist agenda and I am convinced on the evidence that he was right.
That's no excuse for murder but maybe it will make senior officers more aware of ethnic unrest in their ranks.

wentfishn writes:

in response to baldygrandpa:

I do not believe for a minute that Dorner is/was some sort of mental case. He truly believed that the LA PD had a systemic racist agenda and I am convinced on the evidence that he was right.
That's no excuse for murder but maybe it will make senior officers more aware of ethnic unrest in their ranks.

Corruption runs deep . Thinkaboutit !

Max_Headroom writes:

It's Waco Texas and the Branch Davidians all over again.

The feds set the cabin on fire.

angrytxpyr writes:

The bottom line is the guy was a chicken crap piece of garbage!!! He may have been wronged and may very well have had a reason to be angry but WHAT THE F, did he have to go and kill an innocent woman and her husband to be??? Taking pot shots at cops and killing one that probably had absolutely nothing to do with what ever issue legitimate or not that he had with LAPD.

Its just a sad sad thing where this Dil-Dough has gotten some sort of folk hero following and sympathy for his trashed life. WHAT ABOUT THE TOTALLY INNOCENT WOMAN, FIANCE, COP AND NOW SHERIFFS DEPUTY THAT WERE MURDERED BY THE PIECE OF GARBAGE.

It just turns my large and grotesque stomach just to see the face of that individual and I hope that after the burned up carcass is verified as his not another picture of the guy is posted anywhere. In fact if it is his smelly rotten carcass they should just take it a little deeper into the woods and dump it and let the scavengers pick at it before the bugs and fly's make it their dinner.

He would be in his earned place by being crapped out by a bunch animals all over the countryside and with that he would be unrecognizable but smelly fertilizer and nothing more.

The media really should stop glorifying crap like this guy and what he did and just stick to reporting the news.

Bramble writes:

Another angry nut with a gun.

Spock_is_logical writes:

Bar b que in big bear.

Captian_Cataracts writes:

Now all you staunch life-time supporters & members of the NRA take heed.

WHEN we come for your guns (not IF) this is what will happen to you if you resist.

OBEY!

wonderful (Inactive) writes:

We seem to spend so much time and effort on those who do everything wrong and the media keeps putting on the show, which creates more.

Why keep putting the trash on the dining room table.

Just flush and lets move on!

YOW!

Localmotion writes:

The media hype was sickining.

titanbite writes:

The L.A.P.D. needed to,"restore confidence in the black community"?

That doesn't sound right at all.

How could they,"restore",something they never had in the first place?

crazyjoedivola writes:

Knocked down the four walls with an armored vehicle and lobbed tear gas, was it really necessary to burn down the cabin? Sounds like overkill.
Cherish the cabin!!!

WISENHEIMER writes:

in response to Magic81:

What we are seeing now on live TV is pretty surreal---all this much firepower and manpower for just ONE "good guy with a gun" that turned into a "bad guy with a gun"---imagine what it will take if a dozen or more do something like this as a group. Just burn em up I guess

POSSIBLY WITHOUT FULL REALIZATION, MAGIC81 SUGGESTS THE REALITY BEHIND THE FALLACY OF GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION...I QUOTE FROM MAGIC: "...IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF...MORE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS A GROUP..."
THE HAPPENING OF SUCH AN OCCURRENCE ON A MASS SCALE HAS ALL THE POTENTIAL OF A "MILITARY COUP" AGAINST OUR ELECTED GOVERNMENT...IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, ONLY THE "GOOD CITIZENS OF AMERICA" ARMED PURSUANT TO THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THEIR 5TH AMENDMENT WOULD BE IN A POSITION OF STENGTH TO REPEL SUCH A 'COUP' AND RESTORE OUR ELECTED GOVERNMENT TO FULL AUTHORITY AGAIN.
IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD...AND RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA IN 1776 WHEN THE ARMED CITIZENRY [COLONISTS] REPELLED THE BRITISH AND FORMED A NEW GOVERNMENT PROMISING "LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS."
WITH OTHER COUNTRIES, NOT AS WELL PREPARED, DESPOTS [EG. HITLER, STALIN, ETC.] FORCEFULLY USURPED THE EXISTING GOVERNMENTS AND IMPOSED CRUEL DICTATORSHIPS BRINGING WITH THEM HORRIBLE SUFFERING AND DEPRIVATION UPON THE CONQUERED.
I HAVE EMPHASIZED PRIOR HERETO: THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO IGNORE HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT! PASS GUN CONTROLS AND SURRENDER YOUR WEAPONS AT GRAVE PERIL TO YOUR FREEDOMS...LIBERTY OR SLAVERY..YOUR CHOICE IS BUT A TRIGGER PULL AWAY.

samsam writes:

in response to privateroad:

Who ever owns that cabin they are burning down should be upset . Because of their inability to help and diagnose the officers mental problems it spills over into innocent peoples lives. How many more rouge cops are out there on the edge deemed disposable by there departments.

To bad it wasnt your house with you in it.

Magic81 writes:

in response to WISENHEIMER:

POSSIBLY WITHOUT FULL REALIZATION, MAGIC81 SUGGESTS THE REALITY BEHIND THE FALLACY OF GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION...I QUOTE FROM MAGIC: "...IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF...MORE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS AS A GROUP..."
THE HAPPENING OF SUCH AN OCCURRENCE ON A MASS SCALE HAS ALL THE POTENTIAL OF A "MILITARY COUP" AGAINST OUR ELECTED GOVERNMENT...IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS, ONLY THE "GOOD CITIZENS OF AMERICA" ARMED PURSUANT TO THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THEIR 5TH AMENDMENT WOULD BE IN A POSITION OF STENGTH TO REPEL SUCH A 'COUP' AND RESTORE OUR ELECTED GOVERNMENT TO FULL AUTHORITY AGAIN.
IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE THROUGHOUT THE WORLD...AND RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA IN 1776 WHEN THE ARMED CITIZENRY [COLONISTS] REPELLED THE BRITISH AND FORMED A NEW GOVERNMENT PROMISING "LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS."
WITH OTHER COUNTRIES, NOT AS WELL PREPARED, DESPOTS [EG. HITLER, STALIN, ETC.] FORCEFULLY USURPED THE EXISTING GOVERNMENTS AND IMPOSED CRUEL DICTATORSHIPS BRINGING WITH THEM HORRIBLE SUFFERING AND DEPRIVATION UPON THE CONQUERED.
I HAVE EMPHASIZED PRIOR HERETO: THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO IGNORE HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT! PASS GUN CONTROLS AND SURRENDER YOUR WEAPONS AT GRAVE PERIL TO YOUR FREEDOMS...LIBERTY OR SLAVERY..YOUR CHOICE IS BUT A TRIGGER PULL AWAY.

Just another screaming rant whose only concern is their gunS..you are some patriot even suggesting that by sensible gun controls, that we have become a Stalinist, Nazi--throw in Pol Pot and all the others that people claim might happen---sure were a lot of "Stalinists" inside the nation's capitol building cheering the President remarks about guns.

Please, try to get a grip on reality==

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it has much more meaning to the way that the we have seen the disappearing Middle Class continue while people say that they want a balanced budget ---but to use that slogan to warn us about falling prey to a Stalin type?? Come on, now.

garnet1995 writes:

we live in a mad, mad, mad, mad, united states, kill if your feelings are hurt or ignore,, what"s with men and killing..?? we are not the greatest country anymore

Magic81 writes:

in response to privateroad:

Who ever owns that cabin they are burning down should be upset . Because of their inability to help and diagnose the officers mental problems it spills over into innocent peoples lives. How many more rouge cops are out there on the edge deemed disposable by there departments.

How many rogue anythings are out there that they can do that much mayhem and require that much mobilization of resources to bring it to an end???

Note--this episode was never even slowed down, much less prevented by that "good guy with a gun"?? (Which is why that argument is a croc compared to how much devastation is done due to the arsenals that people have)

p.s. that comment posted by different response to this was unwarranted and doesn't belong here

samsam writes:

in response to Magic81:

How many rogue anythings are out there that they can do that much mayhem and require that much mobilization of resources to bring it to an end???

Note--this episode was never even slowed down, much less prevented by that "good guy with a gun"?? (Which is why that argument is a croc compared to how much devastation is done due to the arsenals that people have)

p.s. that comment posted by different response to this was unwarranted and doesn't belong here

privatehole, just is a piece of garbage. sorry magic. i take it back.let it burn with no insurance! ha! ha!

Captian_Cataracts writes:

Wouldn't it be a hoot if the wallet belonged to the perp but the body belongs to one of his victims.

This could make a pretty good mini-series.

Starsandstripes writes:

Nobody but those at the scene will ever know what really happened at that cabin and who did what...

I will also wait to hear DNA conclusion that it was in fact the suspects body they found.

trueamerican writes:

in response to Captian_Cataracts:

Now all you staunch life-time supporters & members of the NRA take heed.

WHEN we come for your guns (not IF) this is what will happen to you if you resist.

OBEY!

Unfortunately you call yourself a captain, your probably not, and more than likely you'll meet the fate of those brave officers who gave their life in the line of duty. You'll just be standing up against a wall when your executed by a fireing squad.

Localmotion writes:

in response to Starsandstripes:

Nobody but those at the scene will ever know what really happened at that cabin and who did what...

I will also wait to hear DNA conclusion that it was in fact the suspects body they found.

You can take that tinfoil hat off anytime now

Z07 writes:

in response to baldygrandpa:

I do not believe for a minute that Dorner is/was some sort of mental case. He truly believed that the LA PD had a systemic racist agenda and I am convinced on the evidence that he was right.
That's no excuse for murder but maybe it will make senior officers more aware of ethnic unrest in their ranks.

You're the one who is starting to sound like a mental case. State the evidence. Then explain why he killed a woman who I'm sure he'd never met. As well as the others.

Z07 writes:

in response to Captian_Cataracts:

Wouldn't it be a hoot if the wallet belonged to the perp but the body belongs to one of his victims.

This could make a pretty good mini-series.

So it sounds like you're hoping he killed another innocent person.
Another sick liberal

Z07 writes:

in response to garnet1995:

we live in a mad, mad, mad, mad, united states, kill if your feelings are hurt or ignore,, what"s with men and killing..?? we are not the greatest country anymore

Lots of women kill too. They usually kill for money using poison. A slow and painful death by the way. Some even kill their children. What's your point?

SandnSurf writes:

in response to Localmotion:

You can take that tinfoil hat off anytime now

Why the tinfoil hat comment? Perhaps the guy did put a body in there and left his credentials hoping to get time on his side to get more miles between him and the authorities.

How come we haven't heard any more about the two women the LAPD shot up while delivering newspapers because they were in a truck that was similar to the vehicle the suspect was last saw in???? That is really messed up!!!

john12345678 writes:

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DORNER good for you stand up fight for what you believe in. more people are gonna start to be like him!!! watch@ sick of the Nazi american police that serve and protect. wish there was a collier county dorner!!!!!!

Schenectadian writes:

Christopher Dorner, RIP. A brave man who stood for something. A real man.

How many of those cowardly LAPD and San Bernardino 9 to 5 "cops" would have the juevos to stand a barrage of 50+ men armed with assault weapons, and incendiary bombs? None. they are just jealous "men". Cowards.

Hillary writes:

in response to john12345678:

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DORNER good for you stand up fight for what you believe in. more people are gonna start to be like him!!! watch@ sick of the Nazi american police that serve and protect. wish there was a collier county dorner!!!!!!

have you people forgotten that he killed innocent people that had nothing to do with his so called grievances? you people are sick.

Schenectadian writes:

For those keeping track, the wallet was found a few days back in San Diego, turned over to police, and then magically recovered a second time in a house that was so charred fire crew couldn't enter for hours due to heat. Clearly this ID has the same protective coating as the 9/11 hijacker's passports.

These thoughts are confusing though. I'll just take the government's word. The seem honest enough about these kinds of things.

swampbuggy writes:

in response to Captian_Cataracts:

Now all you staunch life-time supporters & members of the NRA take heed.

WHEN we come for your guns (not IF) this is what will happen to you if you resist.

OBEY!

Going into battle knowing the enemy has a 4:1 advantage in kill ratio? Good plan!!

MacGumbo writes:

I can't believe the liberal tools who believe he has a beef and want him to have special consideration. They are complete and utter disgusting pigs!

He needed to die painfully and quickly so he doesn't cause anymore grief to his victim's families or cost the taxpayers any more money.

Magic81 writes:

in response to samsam:

privatehole, just is a piece of garbage. sorry magic. i take it back.let it burn with no insurance! ha! ha!

Yeah--can't we all just-....get along....lol

Max_Headroom writes:

in response to Localmotion:

You can take that tinfoil hat off anytime now

Where can you buy tin foil?

dixielee writes:

in response to Captian_Cataracts:

Now all you staunch life-time supporters & members of the NRA take heed.

WHEN we come for your guns (not IF) this is what will happen to you if you resist.

OBEY!

come on dip crap, but make sure you notify your next of kin

Magic81 writes:

They should ave just used a drone--but the Republicans would hten join the groups that are now organizing to attack the LAPD for their tactics.

A monster is gone--no long expensive trial--and the owners get a brand new cabin for free--state of the art--it's a win all aroubd

john12345678 writes:

in response to Schenectadian:

For those keeping track, the wallet was found a few days back in San Diego, turned over to police, and then magically recovered a second time in a house that was so charred fire crew couldn't enter for hours due to heat. Clearly this ID has the same protective coating as the 9/11 hijacker's passports.

These thoughts are confusing though. I'll just take the government's word. The seem honest enough about these kinds of things.

whats your email i would like to converse with you.

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