Potentially ineligible voters in Collier, Lee fall across political spectrum; list likely to grow

The 40 potentially ineligible voters identified this week on the Collier and Lee county voter rolls appear to fall all over the political spectrum.

At the same time, the state has significantly increased the scope of its efforts to root out ineligible voters from the rolls, which could increase the number locally.

Of the 27 Collier residents on the initial list, 10 are Republicans, seven are Democrats, one is an independent and nine are registered as No Party Affiliation, according to the Collier County Supervisor of Elections Office.

"Those numbers would be very different if people are routinely voting," said Tim Durham, qualifying officer with the Collier elections office. "Given that most of them never voted, I'm inclined to say it doesn't appear there's anything nefarious or malicious going on."

Of the 13 people on the Lee County list, two are Republicans, five are Democrats, one is an independent and five are NPA, according to the Lee County Supervisor of Elections Office.

"A lot of people register to vote to get homestead exemptions," said Cheryl Johnson, of the Lee elections office. "They have no intention of voting."

This week the state released a report stating 2,600 people on the voter registration rolls in Florida may not be U.S. citizens. The list was provided to local elections supervisors to verify the information. The vast majority of the people identified were in Miami-Dade County.

But now the state is reporting that it is looking at as many as 180,000 potentially ineligible voters for removal from the rolls statewide.

In an increasingly partisan fight, some Democrats are accusing Republican-appointed Secretary of State Ken Detzner of engaging in a type of "voter suppression," the Miami Herald reported. An ACLU official said this week that state officials were looking for cover while trying to disenfranchise voters.

But Detzner's office says he's just trying to ensure no unlawful votes are cast, and indicated the Obama Administration is stonewalling the effort by refusing to share Department of Homeland Security databases to more easily determine citizenship, the Herald reported.

Chris Cate, a spokesman for the Division of Elections, said when matching voter rolls against newly available citizenship data from the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, officials found thousands of possible matches, and began further investigating each one to see if they were likely to be wrongly registered to vote.

The idea for cross-checking voter rolls with the new citizenship data came from the motor vehicle department and elections officials, not the governor's office or the Legislature, Cate said.

While local officials sift through the initial lists provided by the state, Cate said it will take more time to further cull through the larger list to determine which names are most likely accurately identified as non-citizens.

"We're still in the early stages of combing through that 180,000," Cate said. "We have to respect every voter," and err on the side of not purging them from the rolls if they're legitimately registered, he said.

Some additional portion of the full list of possible non-citizens will eventually be identified as likely to be wrongly registered and sent to local supervisors for possible purging. Whether all of them will be vetted before this year's election remains unclear.

"There's not a timeline, we are moving as promptly as we can while still being thorough," Cate said.

Only four of the 27 on the initial Collier list have voted, but not in the last three years, Durham said. Voting or registering as a non-citizen is a third degree felony and has a statute of limitations of three years.

Five of the 13 people identified as potentially ineligible voters in Lee County voted in previous elections, officials said. However, two of them have provided proof of citizenship.

Two people on the Lee County list have been removed from the voter rolls, including one person who voted within the last three years, officials said. Lee elections officials are still awaiting proof of citizenship from the remaining nine.

The News Service of Florida contributed to this report.

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okay writes:

I hope these illegal voters will be prosecuted. Examples need to be made of them. In fact, the statute of limitations needs to be lengthened to 10 years with mandatory jail terms.

staghorn writes:

never trust a republican©

joeybaccala writes:

in response to staghorn:

never trust a republican©

Never trust a Lib!

beetlejuice writes:

in response to joeybaccala:

Never trust a Lib!

Etcha Sketch says.......
never trust a Republican
or Michele Bachman
runnin as President 1 min
Swiss citizen next minute
gotta love it

Bramble writes:

I commend the state for investigating and taking efforts to fix this. I hope they will continue to dig hard.

Do we need to tighten up the laws here or just start stressing verification? More voter integrity benefits everyone.

FloridaVoter writes:

in response to pitbull:

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

As a person whose first language is obviously not English, you should have more compassion for those citizens who are accommodated by foreign language questionnaires. We are a diverse nation after all.

OP writes:

in response to okay:

I hope these illegal voters will be prosecuted. Examples need to be made of them. In fact, the statute of limitations needs to be lengthened to 10 years with mandatory jail terms.

Excellent points.

OP writes:

in response to FloridaVoter:

As a person whose first language is obviously not English, you should have more compassion for those citizens who are accommodated by foreign language questionnaires. We are a diverse nation after all.

We have always been diverse, it is only recently that the term was pushed to fore when it was a matter which needed no extra attention. Diversity is quickly being a catch phrase, not for inclusion, but for separation. Take speaking English, once a given for newcomers, now we make exceptions which permit that it is never learned. And, it is an important aspect of the American experiment. Our Constitution and so much more are as much a product of that language; in many languages the nuances of our governing principles do not translate, they can only be fully understood in English. Having multiple languages is not a source of non-discrimination, it leads to fundamental divisions that are never overcome. Further, speaking English in public does not diminish ones heritage or cultural traditions, and there are strong examples of what I mean in every ethnic group which comprise our population.

And, specifically to the issue of voting, allowing a system of identification which does not truly identify the person's eligibility to vote is not diversity, it is shameful and self-destructive.

miamia writes:

Forgive me but I can't understand HOW in the world these illegals got on the tax rolls to begin with.

It seems as simple as requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a voters card to anyone applying for same!

Aqua writes:

in response to OP:

We have always been diverse, it is only recently that the term was pushed to fore when it was a matter which needed no extra attention. Diversity is quickly being a catch phrase, not for inclusion, but for separation. Take speaking English, once a given for newcomers, now we make exceptions which permit that it is never learned. And, it is an important aspect of the American experiment. Our Constitution and so much more are as much a product of that language; in many languages the nuances of our governing principles do not translate, they can only be fully understood in English. Having multiple languages is not a source of non-discrimination, it leads to fundamental divisions that are never overcome. Further, speaking English in public does not diminish ones heritage or cultural traditions, and there are strong examples of what I mean in every ethnic group which comprise our population.

And, specifically to the issue of voting, allowing a system of identification which does not truly identify the person's eligibility to vote is not diversity, it is shameful and self-destructive.

Well stated.

7S000 writes:

in response to miamia:

Forgive me but I can't understand HOW in the world these illegals got on the tax rolls to begin with.

It seems as simple as requiring proof of citizenship before issuing a voters card to anyone applying for same!

They get on the rolls by getting a drivers license - the DMV can also register you to vote.

However, the DMV now requires proof of birth, citizenship, name etc due to a Federal Law.

When I recently changed my address at the Elections Office, they did not want to see any ID, even when I offered it.

okay writes:

in response to FloridaVoter:

As a person whose first language is obviously not English, you should have more compassion for those citizens who are accommodated by foreign language questionnaires. We are a diverse nation after all.

It's NOT OUR JOB to "accomodate" ANYONE. They're in OUR country. If they can't read a ballot the way it's written, they should not be able to vote. Do you think THEIR country would provide me with a ballot in English? PLEASE.

okay writes:

in response to OP:

We have always been diverse, it is only recently that the term was pushed to fore when it was a matter which needed no extra attention. Diversity is quickly being a catch phrase, not for inclusion, but for separation. Take speaking English, once a given for newcomers, now we make exceptions which permit that it is never learned. And, it is an important aspect of the American experiment. Our Constitution and so much more are as much a product of that language; in many languages the nuances of our governing principles do not translate, they can only be fully understood in English. Having multiple languages is not a source of non-discrimination, it leads to fundamental divisions that are never overcome. Further, speaking English in public does not diminish ones heritage or cultural traditions, and there are strong examples of what I mean in every ethnic group which comprise our population.

And, specifically to the issue of voting, allowing a system of identification which does not truly identify the person's eligibility to vote is not diversity, it is shameful and self-destructive.

BRAVO!!!

grouper25 writes:

in response to OP:

We have always been diverse, it is only recently that the term was pushed to fore when it was a matter which needed no extra attention. Diversity is quickly being a catch phrase, not for inclusion, but for separation. Take speaking English, once a given for newcomers, now we make exceptions which permit that it is never learned. And, it is an important aspect of the American experiment. Our Constitution and so much more are as much a product of that language; in many languages the nuances of our governing principles do not translate, they can only be fully understood in English. Having multiple languages is not a source of non-discrimination, it leads to fundamental divisions that are never overcome. Further, speaking English in public does not diminish ones heritage or cultural traditions, and there are strong examples of what I mean in every ethnic group which comprise our population.

And, specifically to the issue of voting, allowing a system of identification which does not truly identify the person's eligibility to vote is not diversity, it is shameful and self-destructive.

ditto!

colinkelly2 writes:

Accomodate non-English speakers? My great grandparents in this country don't speak English very well. They speak Serbo-Croatian.
Where is the accomodation for them?

volochine writes:

So much hate. Sickening.

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