Did you hear about President Obama’s sermon on taxation? During his National Prayer Breakfast address (it’s an election year…….so he decided to show up this time), he joined the chorus of people exalting the application of good deeds and made his own claims about the purportedly liberal views on taxation shared by Jesus. In a brazen attempt to shore up some support for his tax plan, Obama said that Jesus preached for higher government taxation on the rich and giving the spoils to the poor.
Oh, if it were that simple. Politics and religion have been around since the dawn of mankind. Has any politician or religious leader eliminated poverty? Even Jesus himself would not do that (although He could have), while reminding us, “the poor will always be with you, but you will not always have me.”
If Obama had any real interest in what Jesus had to say, it shouldn't matter to him how much or how little the wealthy chip in to the national coffers, since there will "always" be the poor. Of course, the wealthy already do chip in a lot (I have no idea what "fair" means).
It is the 47% who do not pay any taxes that should concern Obama. Why isn’t he out promoting economic prosperity in the form of American job creation instead of preaching class warfare? Dumb question. It’s an election year…….remember? 47% translates into millions of votes, so Obama needs to pretend he is Jesus and go after those votes.
Unfortunately for liberals, Jesus was not a politician and this is yet another example of religious and political views clashing on the public stage by a failed leader who is grasping at straws in order to get reelected. Have you noticed how religious the Obamas have become with only a few months remaining until the election? And while his comments are startling to conservatives, they are shared by many liberals who think government’s chief role is providing social justice and fairness in the day-to-day affaris of all Americans. What happened to the Constitution?
Excuse me Mr. President. I’ve read the Bible and continue to read it. Nowhere does it say that government should have the authority to tax the rich and transfer the money to one more deserving. The passage that you used to reinforce your claim, “to those who are given much, much is expected,” has nothing to do with taxation or the redistribution of wealth by government.
Let's be clear about this. Obama is talking to Americans about the money they worked very hard for that was not "given" to them and the taxes the greedy government "takes" from them. He is also talking to the "takers" who are looking for the government to "give" them something so they can "give" him their vote.
Jesus is talking about what God has given to each of us, not what the government gives and takes. The Bible also says, “There should be no poor among you,” so is Jesus contradicting the word of God when he said, “the poor will always be with you?” Of course not, “For the Lord your God will bless you as He has promised, and you will lend to many nations, but have to borrow from none.”
But that blessing comes with a price, as America and many nations have discovered, and it’s not forced government assistance in order to garner political votes. The government is all about politicians and what it can take from us. The government takes from as many as it can for the purpose of providing for others that which will give them their vote.
So, what are we to conclude from all of this? I believe Jesus does not condone the existence of the poor. He reminds us, with some considerable irony, that the poor are here because we have failed to keep God’s commands, while Obama, in misinterpreting the message of Jesus, has decided it is the job of an all-encompassing forceful government to end poverty by taking from some and giving to others who are deemed needier.
Beware of the deceivers who mislead those who cannot see what they are. There are many who proclaim to have Jesus in their lives, especially politicians in an election year and those on death row. The real truthful, honest, spiritual people are the ones you will never hear of. They go about their lives quietly and with deep love and compassion for all life, regardless of creed or color……..and they don’t need government to force welfare in the guise of ending poverty. As Jesus instructed, that should come from the individual heart. Obama left that part out.
Beware of people like Obama when they pretend to be Jesus and act out on liberal fantasies by promising an end to poverty through simply raising taxes on the “rich” and redistributing it to the poor.
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nstinks writes:
Quote of the day......“But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus’ teaching that, ‘for unto whom much is given, much shall be required."
Barack Hussein Obama
You also referenced the Jewish doctrine of moderation Barack.
Do either you, or Michelle, seriously discuss this over dinner at one of your lavish vacation sites?
Probably not.
But I'd be willing to bet the farm you discuss ways to get more people on welfare so you can keep them under government control and count on their vote.
justanfair writes:
Barry uses the word deceiver in his deceptive little piece here. Good call but it's you and the GOP who deceive the ill-informed with this line; '47% of Americans don't pay taxes'. That may be true if you're referring to federal income taxes but leaves out sales taxes, use taxes, ad valorem taxes, property tax, gasoline tax etc. We should be ashamed that so few people are contributing to the income tax register. What are we doing to raise wages - nothing!. Did the GOP support any increase in the minimum wage - no!. THe GOP always targets the less well-off amongst us whilst ignoring the excesses and tax avoidance of the richest 1%. The GOP and the Tea Party drapes itself in the flag and quotes the bible. What hypocrisy when their actions are so clearly un-Christ like.
Schllc writes:
The most salient point the ones whom portray themselves as benevolent refuse to address, is the destruction this mentality causes to a society through the decay of morality.
It creates animus between disparate income groups that extends well beyond envy.
It makes the producers and the wealthy resentful, and it makes the lazy and the less fortunate feel entitled.
It then incentivizes the wealthy to hide their money, their income and their prosperity. While robbing the less fortunate of their dignity and will to succeed.
Human nature will dictate that they do nothing because there is no further down to go. Once a person has lost their dignity, there is no reason for morality.
The advocates of this redistribution suggest that somehow the wealthy are stealing from those less fortunate. But our system is not quite that simple. Wealth, in a capitalistic society is created by the free exchange of goods and services for money. And in spite of how far the government has strayed from its legal and constitutional role, this is still how for the most part our society functions.
If someone creates a good or service that people value, people purchase it. If they are lucky, it is good enough, and priced appropriately, they can become wealthy. The byproduct of this is that they create corporations that create jobs. These entities offer people the opportunity to exchange their labor and expertise for compensation and the opportunity to advance and make lives for themselves; IF they can add value to the corporation. They then, can either CHOOSE to continue or to forge a new venture of their own.
It is no more fair to dispossess the wealthy of their money to distribute it to the poor, than it is to force the poor to work for nothing. It is not christian, it is not moral and it is not American.
It is wrong.
You cannot seize a persons property under any guise, not even benevolence, because theft is theft.
SoSueMe writes:
Jesus does not "belong" to one party or the other and should not be used as a weapon. I will maintain to the day I die that it is we humans who are "religious", and that Jesus simply is ... Jesus. Those that follow his teachings know the difference when a pretender claims to know the mind of God or Jesus.
Any reading of the Bible shows that Jesus spoke to the individual ... not to government. He called out religious leaders for hypocrisy concerning their teachings. He counselled each PERSON and said to render unto Ceasar that which was Ceasar's and render unto God that which is God's.
Obama's cynical attempt to further divide our population is transparent as glass. He is using his typical community organizer tactics. He is our very own lecturer in chief who really thinks he has superior wisdom and knowledge on all subjects than the rest of us.
Those that revere Obama will continue to revere him. Those that detest him will continue to do so. His phony pious words are just that. Phony.
nstinks writes:
Excuse me Just-Not-Fair......it was Obama pretending to be Jesus and attribute quotes that had no basis for describing what Jesus thought about taxes and government.
You self-righteous do-gooders always fall on religion when it's convenient and an election is coming up.
nstinks writes:
And a rebuttle to what you have posted will go something like this.
"Yeah.......and Romney is not overly concerned about the poor.
Does that surprise me?
Not in the least.
I didn't expect him to be........after all, he's a very wealthy man, from a wealthy and privileged background.
He's a Republican.
I certainly never expected anyone of his obvious ilk to pay more than lip service to the poor and the working poor.
What does surprise me is his obvious disingenuity in admitting as much.
If he intended to do so, his honesty (in this instance) is to his credit.
If he didn't, the Democrats shouldn't hesitate to take advantage of what should be his blatant stupidity."
http://emiliawahoo76.blogspot.com/201...
nstinks writes:
I don’t know of any Christian Scripture that says we are called upon to end poverty.
We are called to fight injustice.
We are called to be a voice for the voiceless......... look after the orphan and the widow.......
But I don’t know of any verse that says we are expected to end poverty.
Why then do liberals think they can end poverty by simply taking from some "less deserving" and giving to others "more deserving?"
Obama and other liberals who pretend to be Christians offer this prayer.......
Dear Jesus......if you really exist.......
.......“The Poor Will Always Be With Us.”
Guide Government Health and Human Service systems to provide charity and justice by ending poverty in your name........if you really exist.
Amen."
My prayer would go like this.
Dear Jesus.......be with those less fortunate. Provide the resources they are lacking to better themselves and let me show the compassion and generosity necessary in helping those in need to find those resources.
Amen.
jdltoo writes:
Truly the creator of this article must be crazy. The scary thing of all this is that people buy into this flawed belief.
NedLand writes:
Jesus warned AGAINST government when He said, "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." He warned AGAINST mixing the two and fogging the boundaries. Jesus was for the separation of religion and state. His words were spoken to motivate the individual human heart to do charitable and benevolent things. Jesus never said, "Give your money to Caesar and let Caesar give it to the poor." No. He knew Caesar would take a cut! He said for YOU to do it according to your judgment. Jesus said that because he KNEW Caesar, and knew the power of the state to coerce and extract money, using any pretext to do so.
In Jesus' time the power of the state was brutal, bloody, merciless and overt. These days the power of the state is just as frightening but it is more sly and tries to coax people into the slavery of wealth distribution with threats to the "haves" and promises of an easy life to the "have nots."
Now we have politicians like Obama, who like wolves in sheep's clothing sneak up on us pretending to be righteous, but having only the quest for power and domination in their hearts.
To force a person to work for the benefit of another is a form of slavery. Slavery is evil. It is just as wrong to steal from the rich as it is to steal from the poor. State redistribution of wealth is a sly form of enslavement of the productive for being productive and the good for being good. I have never been so revolted as when I heard Obama give that speech. Sly. How dare he ... but a proud and strutting spirit has he.
Using biblical references, Obama seeks to disarm you by making you think you are fulfilling Jesus' call to be benevolent by agreeing to redistribute wealth, and that governmnet has a place in that call. Government does not. This recent speech of Obama's was the slickest and most diabolical grab for power I have ever heard.
American_by_Choice writes:
Yet another clumsy attempt by the Left at declaration through implication...
Truth, however, requires that declaration presents reason, while implication requires the benefit of darkness.
LOL! Non-Occupying Occupiers. 'bless their hollow little hearts.
American_by_Choice writes:
I submit we should re-name you: Well-said-Ned...
Once again: Ya nailed it!
American_by_Choice writes:
HUGE!
bananas8187 writes:
All right. I think Obama is being a disengenous phoney by all of a sudden evoking Jesus in his campaign rhetoric. He is a disgrace for doing so.
I think it is as phoney as a four dollar bill. BUT, I don't think it is any less despicable than certain presidential wannabes, i.e. Palin, Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, Cain, et cet, claiming to have the inside track to true Christian purity.
They are all self serving, lying sacks of poop. Black, white, D or R, there is no high ground to be found.
American_by_Choice writes:
Lol... Poor Nanners. She so desperately needs to seem moderate that she can't resist mixing right with equal amounts of wrong...
That's just SO sad...
bananas8187 writes:
Hey Tony, haven't seen you around much. Everything OK?
RobinofLocksley writes:
jesus is a democrat
RobinofLocksley writes:
Mormon-ism is an abomination
VOTE for the Christian President
American_by_Choice writes:
Well Sally, it seems like it...
But let's run a systems check to be sure.
You offered a pathetic rationalization which attempted to equate good with evil and I called you on it.
Yep... Everything is just as it should be.
But thanks for askin'
NedLand writes:
Thanks.
Obama is deliberately muddying the waters to confuse people as to what is right and what is wrong. As he smiled and charmingly delivered his speech, I could almost hear the hiss of a snake. I had a visceral reaction as if my spirit was shaking me from the inside saying, "Watch out."
Writethinker writes:
Schlic, you, like all tea partiers, did a fine job defining the problem. But, like all tea partiers, you also are extremely weak on the solution, and attempt to justify paying only the tax you want to pay, ignoring all the rest, to the risk of our nation, if everyone decided to just pay the tax they felt like paying.
American_by_Choice writes:
Well for starters, mormonism is a Christian religion...
So given that "The ONE!" is a Muslim, the choice given your standard.
Of course there's no voting for Obarry and walking away with some sense that you've any kinship with America.
So on that common sense standard, there's no voting for the enemy.
Writethinker writes:
Ned, that must be the "thrill going up" your leg that I have been hearing about. Ned, I know you feel guilty for having that feeling, but it is perfectly normal and part of growing up. That thrill you have for Obama going up your leg, is all perfectly normal.....You just bet it is.
American_by_Choice writes:
ROFLMNAO
Poor Gilligan.. She absolutely MUST advance the fraud that no solution has been offered.
In truth the solution has been noted THOUSANDS OF TIMES.
The PROBLEM is socialist policy, thus the solution is to strip the system of socialist policy.
Gilligan can't fathom such a thing as she is dependent upon socialist policy and doesn't give a dam' how much she's hurting her famy, friends and neighbors by being dependent.
nstinks writes:
We spend an inordinate amount of energy and resources on the poor in America, which is to say we are focused on victims.
Our goals should be focused on training the minds of the poor (and people like you)) to think like victors, not victims.
Writethinker writes:
Liberals do not think "government’s chief role is providing social justice and fairness in the day-to-day affaris of all Americans." We want capitalism and an advanced sense of humanity, a sense that no human deserves to die for want of food, shelter, clothing or basic medical care. We believe this actually makes us freer as people, and more able to take risks to be all one can be, to work hard and prosper, knowing you have a social net under which you cannot fall. It will make capitalism much more powerful, and it will make us, as the human race, one step closer to advancing beyond the more primitive mentality of merely killing each other.
nstinks writes:
I believe we have a strong consensus.
Even God is on our side.
He warned Israel that their desire to have a king (a strong central government) to reign over them was not in their best interest.
Nowhere in the Scripture is a government run welfare state recommended or endorsed.
bananas8187 writes:
Not quite, Tony. I didn't go anywhere near a "good versus evil" debate. You did.
What I said was, that whether it's Obama or Palin or Bachmann, et. al., claiming the inside track to Jesus, they're all lying phoneys.
Are you here to say that one crew is closer to JC than the other? Really, Tony? Do you you believe that, or ar you just joshing folks, as usual, for the shock value?
American_by_Choice writes:
Yep... And the opposing forces will be the US left representing jihad sharia jihad and the Americans defending their unalienable rights, through a vicious, merciless offense.
Those on that team who feel Christianity equates to mercy, need to understand that mercy is presently on the table, I suggest you take it while it's an option and stop your chronic attempt to undermine our means to exercise our rights.
Failure to do so will be your demonstration that you've no interest in such, leading you toward that point where you eventually trigger what you've no means to resist.
nstinks writes:
Liberals do not think "government’s chief role is providing social justice and fairness in the day-to-day affaris of all Americans." We want capitalism and......and.....and.....and.....and.....and.....and......the list goes on and on.
That's the problem.
Liberals WANT!
And they expect others to pay for it.
Writethinker writes:
Tea partiers are Biblical experts now. How fortunate for them, and their greedy lifestyle.
nstinks writes:
If Jesus were a Democrat, He would have found a way for a Republican to die on the cross.
nstinks writes:
And you think Obama is a Biblical expert?
He might be your messiah, but he is not a Biblical expert.
Writethinker writes:
Of course any wants other than tea partier wants, as defined to them by their handlers, is not worthy of listening to. And, if you don't want to pay your fair share of taxes, move to the other end of the island. We pay our taxes here, and don't whine about it.
American_by_Choice writes:
So Sally your response is to equate good with evil?
She can't help herself kids...
Writethinker writes:
He gave us his personal reasoning, a reasoning he based upon his religious experience, and you can't accept even that from OUR President. You look despicable for your behavior, and refuse to accept responsibility for yourself.
American_by_Choice writes:
"Liberals do not think..". PERIOD
nstinks writes:
I agree bananas..........that said, it is also disengenuous to evoke the "separation of church and state clause" in the Constitution when public officials wish to discuss their faith.
Why?
Because there is no such clause in the U.S. Constitution.
I'll give anyone $1,000,000 if they can show me the words "separation of church and state" in the U.S. Constitution.
It is not there.
The First Amendment prohibits our government from establishing a state church, such as the Church of England.
That's how important it is. It's in the FIRST AMENDMENT! It's not some addendum added years later through the Constitutional Amendment process.
Our country was founded by people seeking freedom of religion.........not freedom from religion.
I don't mind if Obama shares stories about his personal religious experiences, including his early devout following of Islam.
What I do mind is when he mixes trumped up religious quotes and stories with his personal political agenda.
But........this could be a liberal thing.
Liberals like to evoke God and spirituality when they are up for an election. It makes them appear to be more mainstream. Obama is a master at it.........just as he is a master at finding things in the Constitution that are not there.
Yeah.......he's a Constitutional scholar......we've been told that.
Now he is a Biblical expert?
American_by_Choice writes:
Your president is a despicable human being. A Muslim pretending to be a Chrisitian to maintain politically viability.
He has spent the nation into bankruptcy and did so intentionally as a means to cripple Americas means to project power I'm defense of our international interests.
Fortunately he overplayed his hand and destroyed his political viability in the process... He has no chance of being re-elected
nstinks writes:
Yeah Wrongthinker.
Obama Dwells on his religious experiences and points out what a devout Christian he is.....always in an election year at least.
He's like Kanookie.
He does a photo-op on occassion with a Bible in hand and you think he is accepting responsibility for for being a Christian Democrat and a politician.
Too funny.
Now if a Republican President had said what Obama said........I guarantee all of you liberals would be moaning and groaning..........crying out........KEEP RELIGION OUT OF PUBLIC POLITICS!
nstinks writes:
Good point ABC!
Has any liberal asked Obama about piling up debt?
There are any number of versus in the Bible condemning debt.......even public debt.
It's to the point of being a moral issue.
Come on Libs..........let's hold your messiah accountable.........Scripturally speaking.
What's the matter?
Is a hypocrit (Barack Hussein Obama) holding you back?
nstinks writes:
Obama gave 1% of his income to charity.
Biden........a grand total of some $300.
Tell us more about liberal Democrats and charity.
nstinks writes:
We're off and running.
Good topic.......Religion and Politics in one blog entry!
This should get people's blood moving and fire up their brains for some interesting responses.
Time to ture in the Super Bowl.
Religion and politics are not going anywhere.........have a great evening everyone.
keekee writes:
We all know better than to argue religion. Same goes for politics. Friends and family know not to do either amongst themselves if we want to keep friends and a loving family.
To blend a political blog with religion is just begging for trouble. However trouble seems to be the theme here, trouble is what we come here for and trouble is what we get.
Bananas has it right in his post and yet is chided by ABC for “needs to seem moderate.” And Writethinker offers that “OUR President gave us his personal reasoning, a reasoning he based upon his religious experience.” And tells nstinks he “looks despicable” for not being able to accept that.
Tell me Writethinker, what was the reasoning for any number of Republicans giving us his or her reasoning based on his or her religious experience? Did you accept their reasoning?
Sorry to butt in, but really talk about an exercise in futility, the blending of these two personal subjects is only going to promote dreadful feedback and unpleasant language.
The big bad football game has started, so there will be lots of shouting and wing eating in my household, so I must go and join the fun. Fun is the operative word here! Plus I have some serious money committed to something they call a “football pool" Man I got ten bucks riding on this stuff and three is the number that will do it for me. Wish me luck!
NedLand writes:
I haven't got the slightest idea what you are talking about and I think YOU haven't got the slightest idea of what you are talking about, either.
Believe me, I get no thrill from Obama. A "chill," yes. But no thrill.
American_by_Choice writes:
Lol... Gilligan couldn't tell you what she meant if her life depended upon it.
NedLand writes:
Under a system that is truly fair, Liberals (progressive-socialists) would and should have the opportunity act individually to sell all that they have and give it to the poor. In fact I advocate that they do. Just do not use the force of government to coerce money from Citizen A (taxes) to give it to Citizen B (welfare), done inevitably through a bloated bureaucratic structure which requires money itself to exist, while producing no wealth of its own.
When benevolence is practiced privately, through private charities, it is practiced best. If a charity spends lavishly on itself, people wise up and will not give that charity money and it will die. In socialism, the people have no choice in the matter, because government assumes the role of a charity. Coercion and the use of force is a part of the nature of government. Charity at a sword's point cannot possibly be fair.
Those who speak of uplifting the "human race" ought to start one person at a time, with themselves and raise their consciousness to a point where they recognize another person's right to say, "No."
American_by_Choice writes:
Well said stink. Socialists are not big on giving, they're all about taking.
nstinks writes:
Here is a system that a liberal/progressive/socialist would think is fair.
Check out Chapter 5, Article 13 of this Consitution.
http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/r...
The words "separation of church and state" do appear in Chapter 5, Article 13.
I can see the liberals salivating already.
This Constitution was written after the Bolshevik Revolution, after Russia became communist.
Am I the only person in the country who is troubled that our courts are ruling on the basis of communist ideology?
We are paying the salaries of those on the bench.
Is anyone other than Tea Party members paying attention?
Do journalists ever do investigative reporting, or will they continue to subject their viewers to a continual parade of talking heads, half of whom are opinionated but clueless?
Our country is having the Constitution shredded daily, and if you don't put the truth out there, YOU are complicit.
And please liberals.......Please do not respond back about the letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists.
We do not establish public policy or law on the basis of personal correspondence. If Jefferson wanted those words in the Constitution, he would have put them there.
Pickford56 writes:
Get "F'n" real people!!! Lordy!!!
Gaswarrior writes:
You freaking MORONS and HYPOCRITES need to stop espousing Christianity as your banner. Unless you are born again, and baptised in holy water and declare Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, and disavow lying, cheating usury and hypocrisy, you dont get to cast the first stone, nor call attention to the splinter in your neighbor's eyes, unless you remove the plank sticking up your a--.
Respect the presidency, not the individual, as you all clearly lack respect for President Obama. If you wish to get converts to your cause, please stop posting pseudo-knowledge. Mr Obama at no time as sought to be "Jesus". Or is it that you are all false prophets, claiming to know Jesus, and his ways, that you propagate falsehood and lies.
But, I digress, what would I, a Buddhist, know about Christianity and Jesus Bar Joseph, son of a Jewish Carpenter, and practitoner of meditation - he did wander for 40 days and night in the wilderness to find inner peace.
He who is without sin, cast the first stone. But, some of you so-called christians ( 1 day worshippers ), wouldnt have a freaking idea of what I am saying.
G Lawson-Boucher
CMDR USN
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